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03 December 2011 @ 04:03 pm
The Ten Worst Episodes of Doctor Who (According to Me) #1-5  
Sometime in the next week, I shall post my list of the 10 Best Episodes of Doctor Who since focusing on the worst is just a lot of negativity, but for now here are the Worst Episodes of Doctor Who!

#5 The Lazarus Experiment by Stephen Greenhorn

Things That Are Not Completely Awful About This Episode: Ten in a tux! Martha's dress is pretty. And I like the way Martha stands up for herself at the end of the episode, insisting that she be given a proper spot on the Tardis. Also, I like the mention of Southwark Cathedral (even if the episode wasn't actually filmed there) because that's near where I used to live in London!

Why This Episode Is On the List: This is probably the one episode on the list that is going to surprise people. While this episode might not be at the top of people's favorite lists, it's also not often one that gets singled out for being bad, but idk. I JUST REALLY DISLIKE THIS EPISODE.

Firstly, Francine is AWFUL in this episode. Like, wtf Francine? Jackie had good reason to slap the Doctor. HE'D TAKEN HER DAUGHTER AWAY FROM HER FOR A YEAR AND JACKIE THOUGHT ROSE WAS DEAD. You're just angry because... you haven't been able to get in contact with Martha for like a day? And you think he might be distracting her from her work? GET A GRIP.

Then you have Lazarus the creeper, and TISH GOING FOR HIM. GIIRLLL... LOOK AT YOUR LIFE, LOOK AT YOUR CHOICES. And the CG for the Lazarus monster is laughably bad. And really the plot of a older person wanting to find eternal youth backfiring is just not new or interesting.

But really I dislike this episode because I think the pacing is atrocious. You get all the action in the science lab and you think everything is over. Everyone is gathered outside and there is a sense of closure, but JK! HE IS MUTATING AGAIN! TIME FOR ANOTHER CHASE SCENE! THIS TIME IN A CATHEDRAL. I know this is a stupid reason to hate an episode, but idk. It just feels like some really awkward writing and it annoys me every time I watch it.

#4 A Good Man Goes to War by Steven Moffat

Things That Are Not Completely Awful About This Episode: Rory being sweet with his baby! (Lol. Too bad it later turns out that it is a fake, but the sentiment is nice.) Amy and Rory actually appear to give a shit about their baby. Savor this. It won't last long.

Why This Episode Is On the List: This episode is trying to do WAY too much in too short a time. The Rory and Doctor shenanigans opening, the rounding up of all the Doctor's BFFs who we've never met before, that random soldier who met the Doctor as a kid and embroidered the leaf for Melody, trying to cram in some backstory for the Silence, saving Amy, the battle, the River reveal. There's a lot happening and it's all crammed into one episode and everything feels like it's only given a cursory scene before moving on to the next thing.

There's also the fact that this is supposed to be the Doctor's ~Darkest Moment~ and his ~Biggest Fall~ or whatever. BULLSHIT. We've seen bigger defeats and darker moments. Also, for the rest of series 6 nobody seems all that bothered by it (especially compared to how the Doctor reacts in series 3 to the loss of Rose), so you'll have to excuse me if it's hard for me to believe that the Doctor views losing his best friends' baby as that big of a deal.

Speaking of the Doctor's ~Darkest Moment~, it's funny that even though the River we see here is probably one of the oldest Rivers we've ever seen (aka the Library is probably not that far off), River chews the Doctor out for the EXACT same thing she praises him for in the Library episodes. UM. OK THEN. Character continuity? WHAT IS THAT?

But of course the main reason this episode is awful is the reveal that River is Amy and Rory's baby. LOLLLLL WORST PLOT EVERRRRR. I mean, it was obvious from the opening two parter, but this was the ~big reveal~. Moffat really dug himself into a hole with River's story. People already figured that River was the Doctor's wife, but he'd built up her mystery SO much that just about any reveal was going to be a let down compared to the build up. So he made her Amy and Rory's baby and also part Time Lord, but it's still just dumb. Sorry, River, your story is awful.

#3 The Girl in the Fireplace by Steven Moffat

Things That Are Not Completely Terrible About This Episode: It is very visually striking with the way that 18th century France is smushed up against a 51st century space ship. Sophia Myles is pretty.

Why This Episode Is On the List: WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE AND WHAT HAVE THEY DONE WITH TEN, ROSE AND MICKEY? The number one reason this episode is terrible is that it is horrifically out of character. I mean, the plot isn't that ~amazing~, but it'd probably be a perfectly acceptable episode if it took place in series 5 between Vampires of Venice and Amy's Choice and featured Eleven, Amy and Rory. But alas, that is not the case, so we get these characters acting completely out of character. At the end of the previous episode, Rose was a bit put out by Mickey joining Team Tardis, but at the beginning of this episode (which seemingly follows minutes after the last episode) Rose is totally cool with it. And the Doctor who was always so keen to take Rose with him on various adventures, just leaves her behind on the spaceship while he goes to 18th century France. It just doesn't make sense.

Rose's characterization in this episode is so bad, so when people say that this is the only episode they liked her in series two, I give them some major side eye. I love Rose to death, but she does have a tendency towards jealousy (as does the Doctor: see his behavior towards Adam, Mickey and Jack) as seen with how she reacted to Sarah Jane and her snide comment about Lucy in the Cyberman two-parter. However, in this episode, Rose is the long suffering girlfriend (see the "we're not keeping the horse" line) who stays at home while the Doctor goes out and has fun, invents banana daiquiris, and dances with and falls in love with another woman. Rose in this episode just does not fit in with Rose in the rest of series 2, a woman who is in love with the Doctor and who wants to stay with him and sometimes can be a bit jealous.

Speaking of Reinette, I think the ~mind meld~ leading to instant love is the epitome of lazy writing. Why bother having your characters converse and actually connect with each other in a way the audience can see when you can just hand wave it all away with a psychic connection. It's also really frustrating that the text keeps TELLING us how awesome Reinette was and all the things she did, but within the story she really only functions as a romantic object, save for maybe that one scene where she tries to keep everyone calm.

And of course this has the ~fun~ Moffat trope of a woman being obsessed with the Doctor as a child and then having romantic feelings for him as an adult. This is especially squicky because from the Doctor's POV, Reinette was a kid like 5 minutes ago and then all of a sudden he's making out with her. Ew.

#2 The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon by Steven Moffat

Things That Are Not Completely Awful About This Episode: The scenery! Being American, I might be biased, but I happen to think that American scenery is gorgeous, so I am quite fond of that. Rory in his 60s suit and glasses is super attractive.

Why This Episode Is On the List: So many reasons. When I first saw these episodes, I had hope. I mean, I still had some major issues with aspects of the plot, but I hoped that this would all make sense and tie together neatly by the end of the series. HAHAHAHAHA. NO.

Why were the Silence in 1969 in the first place? No really. WHAT WAS THE POINT? And why did they need to manipulate humanity developing technology to go to the moon? From what we saw of the Silence in A Good Man Goes To War (which for them takes place before the events of these episodes) their technology was way beyond mid-20th century Earth technology. SO WHY ALL THE MANIPULATION TO BUILD THE SPACE SUIT AND GO TO THE MOON? I don’t get it. Also, why did they program their suit to automatically call the highest authority? That seems really dumb for a suit they were building for their assassin.

Knowing what we know now about Melody’s life, those pictures on the dresser in her room in the children’s home make no sense. Why did Amy happily pose for a picture (presumably taken by the people who kidnapped her and were holding her prisoner) with her baby? And I guess it’s sweet that the Silence apparently took Melody on vacations? An essential part of turning her into a psychopath assassin is going to the beach and stuff?

Speaking of Melody, River is apparently the world’s greatest actress. Considering that for her, these events take place AFTER the events of The Wedding of River Song, unless she completely forgot all of her childhood and her wedding to the Doctor and all that, SHE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. She should know what the space suit is for, and thus is just playing dumb due to time loops forcing these characters to act OOC in order to follow the script laid out before them by the plot. She’s already in prison for fake killing the Doctor, so that definitely happened. She knows the Doctor isn’t dead, so I guess she should be nominated for an Academy Award for her acting in the lake scene. The first time I watched it, it was quite sad, but now I know River is just faking, so whatever, I guess. I really am sick to death of the "wibley wobbley timey wimey" nonsense.

Speaking of the lake scene, the Doctor is an asshole. He made his friends believe he was dead and let them grieve him because he didn’t want to fake die alone? WHAT A DOUCHE. He could easily have left notes for his younger self, the Ponds and River to meet at some place and then go to 1969 and look for Canton or whatever and then left a note for Canton to burn the body at the lake. He didn’t need to put them through that emotional trauma. But Moffat was really determined to make us believe that the Doctor was totally for realsies dead, so I guess he needed the companions to believe he was dead to amp up the sadness, so I guess it makes sense from a Doylist perspective. But from a Watsonian perspective, the Doctor is an ass.

I still can’t get over how the script glosses over the fact that the Doctor brainwashed humanity to kill all Silence that they meet on sight. I get that the Silence are the Bad Guys. I’m not saying that they’re sparkly and innocent. BUT from what we actually see of them in these episodes, one of them killed a lady (definitely not good) and… encouraged humans to go to space? Genocide seems like a BIT of an overreaction. The script just didn’t do a good job of convincing me that genocide was an appropriate response and the only solution, let alone something that I should be cheering for (which the triumphant music was clearly indicating). I also understand that the net effect was make the Silence stay away from humans and not necessarily a slaughter, but it still rubs me the wrong way. The Silence brainwashes humanity to go into space. The Doctor brainwashes humanity to kill people. Who is the bad guy, again?

Also, what the fuck is up with the Doctor not caring about the little girl that (last he knows) is alone, lost and scared. This is an actual quote from the end of the episode: “So, this little girl, it’s all about her. Who was she? Or we could just go off and have some adventures. Anyone in the mood for adventures? I am. You only live once.” WHAT. Just WHAT. I feel like this is even worse in light of the fact that we know this is Melody (aka River), Amy and Rory’s child. I mean, obviously the Doctor does not know that yet, but even without that knowledge that is just incredibly cold. Lost and scared little girl? Should I help her? NOPE LET’S LEAVE HER TO SURVIVE ON HER OWN! I WANT TO HAVE ADVENTURES! This is a prime example of why time loops are terrible. From the Doylist POV, the Doctor can’t go after the girl because then that will screw up the whole “little girl has to become Mels who has to become River to kill the Doctor”, but in order to get to that plot point, the Doctor has to act wildly out of character and not give a shit about an abandoned child when in "The Beast Below" he couldn't bear to hear a child cry. WHAT IS THIS CHARACTER CONTINUITY THING?

#1 Let’s Kill Hitler by Steven Moffat

Things That Are Not Completely Awful About This Episode: Uh... Driving a car through a corn field to write the word "Doctor" to get his attention is pretty cool.

Why This Episode Is On the List: EVERYTING ABOUT THIS EPISODE IS SO TERRIBLE. So what was Eleven doing while his best friends were stuck at home, knowing their baby had been kidnapped by a crazy military/religious organization? Was he actually looking for Melody or just going shopping? The Doctor's shiny new coat points to a trip to Oxford Street. Sorry Melody, the Doctor needed a new coat! Hope you're cool with being brainwashed to become a psychopath! You understand, right? And really even Amy and Rory don't seem all that bothered. They've been chilling at home for who knows how long before they pull the crop circle stunt. I would have been sick with worry if I were them. I just cannot with the lack of emotional realism. Also, if the Ponds HADN'T done the crop circle stunt, when would the Doctor have bothered to show up again. Also, HE HAS A TIME MACHINE. He could have spent years searching for Melody and still shown up at the Ponds doorstep the second after they were dropped off in Leadworth.

What was even the point of including Hitler? Honestly, if you're doing a time travel story dealing with Hitler, take it seriously or don't do it at all. Punching Hitler and putting him in a cabinet does not count. It seems to be that the only reason Hitler was included in the episode was so that the Tessalecta could be like "OMG RIVER SONG. SHE IS EVEN WORSE THAN HITLER!" which, I'm sorry. That is horribly offensive. Hitler was a real person and people who survived the horrors of his regime are still alive today as well as descendents of those who DIDN'T make it out alive, so could we not act like this fictional character whose major crime is (fake) killing the Doctor is ~worse than Hitler~? Thanks.

Speaking of River, another annoying thing about this episode is the fact that Mels had to be retconned into the story. Oh she just doesn't ~do~ weddings which is why she wasn't at her best friends' wedding. Mels doesn't seem like a great friend, tbh.

It's also really silly how quickly River gets over years of military brainwashing. Whatever, show. Oh and River also gives up all her regenerations for the Doctor because idk. River's life just doesn't revolve around the Doctor enough. So she had to have been conceived on his Tardis, raised to assassinate him, fall in love with him, give up her regenerations for him, become an archeologist so she can find him, convince him to marry her, and then later die for him. EVERYTHING ABOUT THE SERIES 6 RIVER SONG PLOT IS TERRIBLE.

And of course this episode has some of Moffat's ~fun~ sexism what with River needing to check her weight after she regenerates (because all women are super worried about their weight!). Yes, I know that the Doctor checks out his physical features when he regenerates, but he's never been specifically concerned about his weight. There's also that ~hilarious~ comment about how a minute ago River wanted to marry the Doctor and now she wants to kill him. Oh those women! So fickle!

EPISODES THAT ARE NOTABLY ABSENT FROM THIS LIST: The Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks. Idk. Maybe I am easily swayed by a musical number. Maybe it's just because I really like all the supporting characters of Frank, Solomon, Lazlo and the flawless Tallulah. Maybe I am dazzled by Andrew Garfield's good looks. Maybe I just really like angsty Ten, but penis faced Dalek aside, I actually like these episodes!

Love & Monsters. I legitimately like the first ~35 minutes of these episodes. It does a good job of looking at what happens to those the Doctor leaves behind with both Jackie and Elton. And it's also a really cute take on fandom. LINDA meets together because they share a mutual interest in the Doctor and then they start creating fanworks about him. And then they start to get invested in each other's lives and care each other as people. Idk. It's a sweet take on fan culture. Unfortunately the Asorbaloth stuff and the blow job joke at the end is awful, so this will never be one of my favorite episodes, but I can't list it as a Worst Episode just because I do think the first ~35 minutes are quite good.
 
 
 
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ladysophiekitty: Doctor 9 10 11ladysophiekitty on December 4th, 2011 01:22 am (UTC)
Still reading but btw, you mixed up the pictures for the last 2 ;)
fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 4th, 2011 01:27 am (UTC)
Fixed! Thanks for letting me know!
sherrilina: 11 Bow Tie Obsession (Doctor Who)sherrilina on December 4th, 2011 01:30 am (UTC)
Lol, you have the order of the last two pictures switched! ;) And did you not like the Amy/Rory flashbacks in the LKH epp? For me that was the main positive, annoying Mels aside, since I loved finally getting more of their story fleshed out. OH, AND ELEVEN SEEING ROSE, MARTHA, AND DONNA OF COURSE!!!

But yeah otherwise so offensive and awful (though I do like the new coat, I just love guys in long coats), and IA with your top 5 besides the Lazarus epp--I despised it at first, but I don't think it's still as bad as a lot og other epps. (And ooh you lived near Southwark Cathedral?! Nice! I visited there last year).

And IA about the Daleks in Manhattan and L&M epps, esp in the latter case--I thought it was lots of fun, and loved Jackie's bit especially, until the weird end...

I think I might have moved the order a bit of some of these epps, but otherwise a pretty good Top Ten!
fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 4th, 2011 01:37 am (UTC)
haha. Yeah, I've fixed the pictures now! There was a lot of C&P involved in putting together this entry and the pictures were a casualty of C&P. The Amy/Rory flashbacks in LKH weren't bad, but they're kind of tainted for me by virtue of the fact that the point of them is to be like "look! Amy and Rory grew up with their kid! Now it's totes cool that they'll never get to raise their baby." Seeing Rose was nice though.

And yep! I lived like a 15 minute walk away from Southwark Cathedral. So I walked past it all the time. Never went inside though. I just ate food from Borough Market outside of it. heh.
ladysophiekitty: Doctor/Rose the beachladysophiekitty on December 4th, 2011 01:34 am (UTC)
Love this list! I have to say, hearing rants for some of these episodes (especially LKH) never gets old and I'm always like "YES! SOMEONE WHO FEELS THE WAY I DO!"

So thank you for having correct opinions. :D
fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 4th, 2011 01:38 am (UTC)
Ranting about some of Moffat's stuff is SO cathartic. Guh. Series 6 was so awful. WHYYYYY?
kilodaltonkilodalton on December 4th, 2011 01:38 am (UTC)
I like the NY Dalek eps too. They have heart =)

There is so much I can't forgive GITF for, and I've said it so many times but idc, I'll keep saying it. I could hand wave so much away, but the fact that he sends Rose and Mickey into a spaceship that just slaughtered an entire space station crew ... and then disappears to go to a party??? Nononono.

The one thing I'm a smidge grateful for is Moffat's public comment that Reinette's use of the word dancing was as flirtation, and that nothing besides party!time happened that night. Besides being ooc, can you imagine that? And then the next thing Ten would have done in that case is to send in the companion-he's-in-love-with-yet-had-abandoned-to-DIE-for-that-purpose in to talk with the woman-he-had-had-a-one-night-stand with?

Omg my hatred of Ten would know NO bounds. I would be cheering during The End of Time, for realz.

Edited at 2011-12-04 01:40 am (UTC)
fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 4th, 2011 02:17 am (UTC)
I just tend to not think of TGitF as canon. Moffaten is such a douche. Kali pointed out a line from the library episodes where Ten tells Donna that he lied to her to shut her up. UGH.
kilodaltonkilodalton on December 4th, 2011 02:26 am (UTC)
I'd like to do that, but it is juuuuust enough in sync with other early s2 canon (in terms of Ten pushing Rose away emotionally, Ten running after shiny objects during an adventure and kind of leaving Rose in a lurch), that it is hard for me to discount it 100% because I do see a few trends there that are in keeping with how actual!Ten acts.

That and, in general, it's really hard for me to accept some things as canon and handwave away others. It's a skill I've yet to develop lol.
phoenixrising06: da- featherphoenixrising06 on December 4th, 2011 03:17 am (UTC)
There's also a line Moffat wrote that got cut, which I can't remember the exact phrasing of, unfortunately, but when Ten sends Donna back to the TARDIS to keep her safe he makes some comment about how great it is to have an off button for Donna.

Kali_thirty2flavors on December 4th, 2011 05:38 am (UTC)
OMG

OMG

I CAN'T
Kali: dw :: doctordonna :: no don't do that_thirty2flavors on December 4th, 2011 05:49 am (UTC)
LIKE LEGIT I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE AND I AM LIKE



RN

ughhhhhhhhhhh


ladysophiekitty: Donna/Doctor show me the universeladysophiekitty on December 4th, 2011 06:15 am (UTC)
That's SO WRONG. Especially that that's something that's more sensitive for Donna AND is like the comments Lance made when he revealed he was just pretending.

WTF.

anna_sg1: simba omgwtfanna_sg1 on December 5th, 2011 03:05 am (UTC)
MOFFAT IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST OMG!!!!
sherrilina: Boo You Whore Luci (SN)sherrilina on December 11th, 2011 08:31 pm (UTC)
Wow, really?! There's a good line for those Moffat fans who love Donna to chew on!
phoenixrising06: dw- blue doomsdayphoenixrising06 on December 4th, 2011 03:14 am (UTC)

There is so much I can't forgive GITF for, and I've said it so many times but idc, I'll keep saying it. I could hand wave so much away, but the fact that he sends Rose and Mickey into a spaceship that just slaughtered an entire space station crew ... and then disappears to go to a party??? Nononono.


This. A thousand times this. I have so many issues with this episode, but this is the one thing I can point to that no one can talk their way out of. There is no justification for that. How that ever got past RTD, Billie Piper, Julie Gardner, and David Tennant as okay will forever be a mystery to me.
fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 4th, 2011 03:30 am (UTC)
RTD didn't edit the scripts of people who had previously been showrunners out of respect for the position or something. So he and Julie didn't have a say, and of course the actors pretty much NEVER have a say. But idk. RTD does have a lot of professional respect for Moffat so yeah.
phoenixrising06: dw- give her back to mephoenixrising06 on December 4th, 2011 04:06 am (UTC)
Yeah, I know. I suppose I'm just peeved at how much smoke they seem to blow up this episode's ass, to put it less than delicately.
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fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 4th, 2011 03:31 am (UTC)
It's SUCH a ridiculous episode. I just cannot with it. I cannot with River's whole story, really.
phoenixrising06: fringe- in the tankphoenixrising06 on December 4th, 2011 03:10 am (UTC)
Once again, I approve of your thoughts.

Girl In the Fireplace would be my number 1 episode, I think. I've got a special rage-y place in my heart for it. I still can't believe the first time I saw it my brain actually went, "So that's the episode everyone hates. I don't know why. I thought it was quite good!"

Oh, sweet, naive past!Jessy. You will learn, my friend. You will learn.

RIVER, I'M SORRY YOUR LIFE BLOWS. You deserved better, darling.

I'm a little surprised The Wedding of River Song isn't on this list. Always keeping me on my toes, Karen. :)

fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 4th, 2011 03:33 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the first time I saw GitF, I had a lot of initial shipper butthurt, and it was only on later viewings that I was able to really pinpoint WHY it was so bad.

TWoRS isn't on the list because I think my expectations for it were SO low that it's hard to feel disappointed by it. Idk. And I did generally like the visuals of all of history happening at once. Also, I think I would have felt a bit bad if I'd included ALL of the series 6 arcs episodes on my Ten Worst Episodes list. lol. I had to be fair to other series.
phoenixrising06: tww- two cathedralsphoenixrising06 on December 4th, 2011 04:09 am (UTC)
TWoRS isn't on the list because I think my expectations for it were SO low that it's hard to feel disappointed by it.

I get that. It's a pretty sad statement about season 6, honestly.
ladysophiekitty: Doctor/Rose 3Dladysophiekitty on December 4th, 2011 06:22 am (UTC)
Yeah, same. I watched it and was expecting to feel so much rage that when it happened I was like, "Hmm, I'm not actually that mad." Like, it still sucks and I'm sure I could still work up a rant about it if I wanted to, but LKH and AGMGTW takes up most of that anger. WoRS is pretty forgettable to me, actually.

First time I saw GitF I was expecting to like Moffat because I'd heard really good things about him AND I liked his s1 episodes. I was like, "Oh, I bet he's going to be my favorite writer and I'm going to love this ep because it takes place in the past and I love historical stuff." I WAS SO WRONG! And I watched it and was like, "Well, that wasn't very good" and sort of ignored it. It took me a while to figure out my problems with it, and that was mostly because it was problems that we saw over and over again with him.
Kali: dw :: doctors :: a bit james bond_thirty2flavors on December 4th, 2011 07:31 am (UTC)
FRANCINE JONES IS AWFUL. "RAR MARTHA I DO NOT TRUST YOUR JUDGEMENT OMG MARTHA DID YOU GO OUT TWO NGIHTS IN A ROW THAT'S NOT ALLOWED GO TO YOUR ROOM. RAR MARTHA HOW DARE YOU POSSIBLY MAYBE BE DATING THIS GUY. RAR MARTHA HOW DARE YOU WANT TO HELP PEOPLE! RAR DOCTOR HERE IS A SLAP FOR SAVING BOTH OF MY DAUGHTERS' LIVES." omg Francine just O M G. I lol in the bit when Ten rushes by her, knocks her arm and she spills champagne on herself. YOU GO, TEN.
fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 4th, 2011 08:02 am (UTC)
Francine really is the worst. Uuuuugh. I know that some people have issues with the way that RTD writes mothers (which is where some people point when they say that his sexism shows up in his writing), but idk what I think of that.
Kali: act :: freems :: pretty lady_thirty2flavors on December 4th, 2011 04:57 pm (UTC)
IDK I think Jackie is flawless but then you do get Sylvia and Francine who are pretty terrible. I'm not really sure if Francine and Sylvia are meant to be as terrible as I think they are though -- like idk maybe they're meant to be sympathetic and missed the mark. I do think people are wrong when they use Jackie as an example, especially when they say she's not sympathetic lol wtf.
fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 4th, 2011 06:29 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think Jackie is a pretty well formed character and she's definitely supposed to be sympathetic. Francine is... not. And I don't hate Sylvia as much as you do, but she is definitely problematic too. Idk. The thing is that Francine and Sylvia do feel more like caricatures (although I do know people whose parents have shades of Francine and Sylvia) than RTDs other characters and I'm not sure what that says, exactly.
Opal: TCI: Tyler family hug!shinyopals on December 4th, 2011 11:26 am (UTC)
Haha, aside from the Lazarus Experiment (which I really enjoy), I totally agree with this list.

The Doctor's method of dealing with the Silence remains the scene that nearly killed my love of the show in its entirely, so... well done there Moffat. Also River being worse than Hitler is the actual most offensive thing ever.

And lol agreed on the s3 Daleks and Love and Monsters. Idk the Daleks could probably do with a better Rusty treatment (wasn't he ill so didn't do his normal REWRITE ALL THE THINGS) but it had some solid ideas and angsty Ten and Martha and Tallulah being cute. And way too many shows do fandom episodes and seem to be outright cruel or mocking about them (Castle, you are the most recent offender, and Supernatural, you are the least subtle) but LINDA is a really fond treatment and I can't hate it for that.
fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 4th, 2011 07:21 pm (UTC)
My dislike for TLE is totally irrational. Idk. I JUST CAN'T GET PAST THE WEIRD PACING.

You know, I would have been ok with how the Doctor handled the Silence if the text actually portrayed it as a hard decision the Doctor had to make or a dark moment for him. INSTEAD IT WAS ALL PUPPIES AND RAINBOWS AND BRAINWASHING PEOPLE TO KILL OTHER CREATURES.

The s3 Dalek episodes aren't perfect, but I still find plenty to enjoy about them anyway. And yes! LINDA is a really sweet treatment of fandom. I get why people don't like L&M because the Asorbaloth is pretty ridiculous and the blow job joke at the end is AWFUL. But... Linda! Bliss made fan art!
sunnytyler001: ten and rosesunnytyler001 on December 4th, 2011 11:43 am (UTC)
THIS.
I agree SO MUCH.
Frances: DW - Ten - DNWgoldy_dollar on December 4th, 2011 03:50 pm (UTC)
HAHAHAHA THIS LIST. And even though I'm weirdly fond of The Lazarus Experiment, it cracks me up to see it on this list with all these Moffat episodes.... which basically all tell the same plot in different ways? NO ACTUALLY THEY TELL THE SAME PLOT IN THE SAME WAY. Also PREACH YOUR HATRED FOR GIRL IN THE FIREPLACE. YOU KNOW I FEEL THE SAME.
fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 4th, 2011 07:29 pm (UTC)
LOL MOFFAT'S EPISODES ARE SO BAD. I mean there are some that I dislike less than others like The Eleventh Hour or Blink, but uuuuuuggghhh. So many of his episodes are terrible. He is just not the writer for me. I considered including The Wedding of River Song on this list, but it would have just been unfair for like 4 out of 10 Worst Episodes to basically be like "the series 6 plot". I had to be an equal opportunity hater and include some other writers.
obstinate, headstrong girl!: dw | amy pond → brighter than sunflowerszombie_boogie on December 4th, 2011 10:05 pm (UTC)
Well, you know which entry I disagree with on this list, but the rest seems fine to me. I hate "Let's Kill Hitler" so much. Soooooo much. So much, in fact, that I have yet to watch the rest of series 6 (and I loved series 5). It's nice that even though we're fans of different eras and characters that we can be united over how much series 6 blows.
anna_sg1: spn - dean & sam are confused and creepeanna_sg1 on December 5th, 2011 03:24 am (UTC)
LOL at #5, that one definitely cought me by surprise. But I do agree with you on the awkward pacing. I honestly thought the episode ended that first time. Just, weird.

And, you know, AGREED on everything else. As bad as s6 was, it wasn't until LKH that everything was RUINED for me. And now that we ~know everything~ even the episodes with River I kinda enjoyed are ruined. Moffat maybe gets a good idea for a plot, but when it comes to fleshing it out in episodes - it blows apart in a million different directions and when he tries to put it together there are bits missing.
sherrilina: Arthur/Chicken (Merlin)sherrilina on December 11th, 2011 08:34 pm (UTC)
it's funny that even though the River we see here is probably one of the oldest Rivers we've ever seen (aka the Library is probably not that far off)

Why do you say that? :s What would indicate that to you, I'm curious? In s6 they make such a BIG deal of them traveling and meeting in exact opposite order or something, by which her speech in AGMGTW would be before all of her appearances in season 5, not nearly the oldest River we've seen...:s

And I'm not sure if she was faking in TIA, didn't they say that they might have affected her memory a bit or something? IDK, none of it hangs together!
fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 12th, 2011 06:21 am (UTC)
Moffat says things that sound good that he doesn't actually mean. Like how the series 5 crack was supposed to erase people as if they never existed, but then that wasn't actually the case because if the Doctor never existed, the Earth would have been destroyed a million times over. I think the idea of them meeting in exact backward order is nice and is generally how their stories go, but isn't exactly how it works.

I think the River in AGMGTW seems to know a lot, she knows that she is the baby and her name was Melody Pond (because she shows the name to the Doctor) and is calling it the Doctor's darkest day and such. She is at LEAST post-TWORS, but she also seems to recognize Rory and Amy which makes me think that she is probably post The Big Bang.

There's a line somewhere in... The Wedding of River Song, I think, where River says that she had to pretend she didn't know anything about the spacesuit, if I'm remembering correctly. So yeah, the show is actually going with the fact the River is just an ~amazing actress...
some blockheaded bracegirdle from hardbottle: buffy - yay?notemily on December 12th, 2011 04:00 am (UTC)
ahahaha I love the pic you chose for The Lazarus Experiment. THEIR FACES.

Impossible Astronaut/DOTM is SUPER pretty, yes. And again with Rory's glasses. Love.

I pretty much agree with everything you've said here, but I think I just don't feel as vehemently about it as you do. My least favorite episodes are more ones I find boring or not enjoyable to watch than ones with huge gaping plot-holes.

However, I TOTALLY agree with you on the awful plotting of season six. None of the Silence's actions or motivations make sense. None of River's timeline makes sense. Blarg. I was hoping that somehow The Wedding of River Song would wrap it up, but that… didn't happen. It answered like half the questions, and some of those it answered really badly.

The Mels stuff bothered me, too. The HUGE GIGANTIC RETCON that they had this "best friend" we'd never seen before was awful. River doesn't have to be EVERYONE ON THIS SHOW! She can just be River!

I love the characters. I love Eleven, Amy, Rory, and River. I love watching them do their thing, so most episodes at least make me happy because I'm happy to spend time with these characters. But the plot of season six could have been so much better. I generally like the risks that DW takes, because when it's good, it's great. But usually the overarching plot episodes are BETTER than the monster of the week episodes, and that was not the case with s6.

I also like Love & Monsters! Up until the end, I thought it was a great love letter to fandom. But seriously, the girl should have just died or been rescued, not LEFT TO BE A PAVING SLAB FOREVER. Awful, awful.
fauxkarenfauxkaren on December 12th, 2011 06:29 am (UTC)
The problem for me with series 6 is that I DON'T particularly like any of these characters. Well, I think River is fun. I like Rory well enough. But I don't really get Amy and series 6 made me hate Eleven. So for me, when the plot goes off the rails, the characters aren't there to hold the show up for me.
some blockheaded bracegirdle from hardbottle: misc - 5 kitties need homesnotemily on December 12th, 2011 06:35 am (UTC)
Yeah, I can certainly understand that. It'll be interesting to see what kind of direction Season 7 takes.
(Anonymous) on March 20th, 2012 10:31 am (UTC)
Agree totally
I totally agree with your list. LOL almost all of them are from seasons 5 and 6. I greatly prefer RTD to Moffat. Moffat has occasional good eps but as a showrunner he's terrible. He's way too focussed on creating mindblowing endings and stuff, he totally forgets about character development and stuff like that. I really didn't like how Amy and Rory forgot about their baby so fast. I mean, hello? It's a CHILD. How can your like forget about it as soon as your back is turned? I know it's a writer's error but it really turned me against Amy (well she was annoying from the start). I miss Ten and Nine, I really do.
Sylwia (sill-vee-uh): the nightmare before christmasunnecessary_ on April 21st, 2012 11:06 pm (UTC)
I think that The Girl in the Fireplace is probably one of my favorite episodes, even though I was only half paying attention to it while it was on. It's one of the few episodes I'd be willing to watch again. lol.
fauxkarenfauxkaren on April 21st, 2012 11:12 pm (UTC)
The Girl in the Fireplace is... just. It's an episode that is shiny. It's an episode that might work ok as a standalone episode. But in the context of the characters and in the context of the series, it fails so hard. And even as a standalone, I think that the episode glosses over the REAL interesting part of the episode (ROBOTS USING HUMAN PARTS TO REPAIR A SHIP) and focuses on the dead-end and pointless relationship between Ten and Reinette.
Sylwia (sill-vee-uh): penny hartzunnecessary_ on April 22nd, 2012 12:06 am (UTC)
I agree with you that it could have been better, but I guess for us fans that are not real fans (yet) it does it's job.
colierox1217 on January 9th, 2013 07:34 am (UTC)
For the longest time I have cited The Girl in the Fireplace as one of my favorite episodes even though the Ten/Rose shipper in me hates it. However, the more I read into it, the more I'm starting to think that I've been distracted by its shiny-ness/prettiness.

I don't mind the Clockwork creatures (again, maybe that's because they're shiny); I love the setting and the colors and the costumes and the contrast between the 18th and 51st centuries; I feel like I like Reinette as a character (and Sophia Myles is really pretty); but I've always hated how the Doctor just left Rose behind. It always seemed too unbelievable that he would do that. And I also wish they had put more focus on the fact that human parts were being used to repair a space ship and less on a romance between the Doctor and Reinette that we all knew would never be possible.

I just keep finding more and more issues that I have with it.... or rather not that I keep finding more that is bad about it, but that the things that are bad about it look worse the more I read about it (if that makes sense). Idk maybe it's just group polarization in a way :/
(Anonymous) on April 4th, 2013 02:35 am (UTC)
I have gone deeper in the Tennant/Russell Davies fandom then I ever have before. This is just the most biased thing against Moffat I have every seen. What about New Earth, End of the World, Fear Her, Fires of Pompeii, Partners in Crime, and The Last of the Timelords! All you do is go through plot holes (Not all are legit) and complain about them in paragraphs to justify hating Steven Moffat. Why don't we just go back to Davie's Monster-Of-The-Week format, ehh!? No.
fauxkarenfauxkaren on April 4th, 2013 02:52 am (UTC)
I'd much rather go back to RTD's style than Moffat's convoluted nonsense filled with paper thin characters, thanks!

I actually really love all those episodes you mentioned so I have no idea what point you were trying to make. Admittedly, Fear Her's plot is not great, but I still think it's a fun episode in general.
(Anonymous) on April 4th, 2013 02:37 am (UTC)
You're only unscreening the people who whole-heartily miss Tennant and Davies, arn't you? Doctor Who is having a more consistent run of good episodes then there ever has been!
fauxkarenfauxkaren on April 4th, 2013 02:49 am (UTC)
LOL. No it's just that this post was made well over a year ago, and uh, I don't really bother unscreening anon comments much anymore because I'm not active on lj right now.

But LMAO

I TOTALLY DISAGREE ABOUT DOCTOR WHO HAVING A MORE CONSISTENT RUN OF GOOD EPISODES. The entire first half of series 7 was dull. Series 6 was mostly a mess with the exception of a couple of episodes. So.
(Anonymous) on April 7th, 2013 09:49 pm (UTC)
I liked TGITF. I don't know. The plot was pretty good, and it was well executed. There is stupid shit, yeah. But it was fun. I also liked River's storyline, and Series 6 was not that bad. I mean, it is the worst of the new series, but it's still enjoyable. The only really horrible episode is Let's Kill Hitler IMO. And although TIA/DOTM weren't really good (still enjoyable though), the Silence is one of my favorite DW enemies. They're good! They allow for really nice suspense and are pretty frightening. I still agree about the "Doctor forgetting about the girl/being merciless to the Silence/having his friends see him die" stuff. That's just ehhhhh.
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